Shamrock, Gracie, Shaw Conference Call Quotes
Question: Renzo, do you feel that will affect your game?
Question: Gary is this something that you have discussed with the athletic commissions and have they been receptive to that?
Shaw: I have not gone around to 20 or 21 states. Whatever state we bring our show to, we will always abide by the local commission rules or regulations. It does not mean that I will not ask them for an exception to a rule or regulation. But wherever it is allowed, we will do it.
Question: How can the sport is going to gain national acceptance and how long will it take?
Shaw: I do not know every reporter that is on this call right now. But I know a couple of boxing writers are on here and I know I have talked to a couple of boxing writers as well as some boxing web sites. Those are the things that let me know that everything is changing. I think what is going to happen with the boxing writers, it will start off with a boxing column with notes on the MMA, and little by little, it will switch. I believe the editors of the newspapers will be telling their sports writers to start covering mixed martial arts. In the last two weeks alone, 60 Minutes did a complete piece on mixed martial arts. I believe CNBC is running a three part series of which I saw the first one on mixed martial arts. I can tell you the Los Angeles Times had a front- page story, two full pages, on MMA. The New York Times last week. So I think that speaks for itself. I see it turning quickly. The fact that SHOWTIME has now gotten into this space will create other writers to now write about it and travel. I do not know how many writers we will have in Mississippi for this fight, but I guarantee that by the end of the year it will be a question of which writers sit in front row and press row and who sits in the second and third rows. I think that is going to be the change. We are a writer friendly corporation. We will credential everybody. We will feed you all first class. We will take care of you first class and you will have a first class experience with EliteXC and ProElite.
Question: Renzo and Frank, what is your ultimate goal and what do you think about the future of EliteXC on SHOWTIME?
Gracie: I do believe it is such a beautiful sport and such an interesting sport to watch and so appealing. I really look forward to seeing one day MMA as big as boxing. I do not look down on boxing at all. I think it is an unbelievable art and I admire all the great fighters that I have watched through my whole life. I definitely think MMA fighters should be on the same level. I see the sport taking off and being on the same level that boxing is today.
Shamrock: I see this sport being the next greatest sport and if it takes over boxing, I do not think that is as important as the people involved or as the idea behind it. It speaks about our society. It is an American sport. It is what we do. It is man on man and it is beautiful when you look at it and you understand it, and you understand the people, and you understand the reasons. When you live a martial lifestyle, it is a beautiful thing. I think EliteXC is going to be tremendously successful in promoting that idea of a martial arts lifestyle into the mainstream and into the masses. I am glad to be a part of it.
Question: What is your ultimate goal personally?
Gracie: My ultimate goal would be to be teaching this art which I love so much, and pass it to future generations in my family, in order to bring this sport to a higher level. To be involved in such a gift, my goal is to actually teach the art that I excel.
Shamrock: My goal is to make a difference in people’s lives, to change people’s lives for the better through martial arts. That is what it has done for me. And if I can teach that and do that and help people and teach people to do that, then that would be my ultimate goal. That is what I am doing it all for.
Question: Gary, you said you wished to encourage more cooperation between all of the existing mixed martial arts promotions, especially when it came to the sharing of talent. Now that you have your card done and you are a few months in, how has that worked out?
Shaw: Well, it worked out great. The fact that Frank and Renzo came on board to fight on our first card really legitimized me and ProElite and EliteXC. For that, whether I last one fight in this career or 100 years, I will always be eternally grateful to each one of those two gentlemen. They both have a friend for life in me. As far as working with other promoters, I believe to grow this sport, you need to work together because when a UFC fighter or a Strike Force, etc., hold up those belts, they are only a club champion. They are only the champion of those fighters in that organization. My dream is when someone gets in the cage, to hold up that belt and truly say, “I am the world champion.” And the sport is growing and it is big, but it could bust out. It could hit stratospheric levels. If we could put a UFC fighter against a Pride fighter, etc., that is how you grow this sport. Then the fans are going to go crazy for this sport. That is how you will do a $2 million pay-per-view. Being inclusive instead of exclusive is how you will really grow this sport.
Question: What has been your experience in the last couple of months suggesting that to the existing mixed martial arts community?
Shaw: I have not had the real opportunity to sit one on one with anybody, but hopefully I will in the near future. I have just been focused on Feb. 10. I think everybody sees the light and I think everybody needs to see us put on a show. They want to know how long EliteXC is going to be around. It is going to be around a long time and there a lot of very smart people in this company and it is a public company. There are a lot of people putting their faith and trust in us. I think we will get a lot of cooperation. Ask me after Feb. 10 and when we do our next event, and I will be better able to answer.
Question: Frank, you said it has always been your dream to fight Renzo. Could you elaborate?
Shamrock: I think Renzo is the best of the Gracie’s. He has always taken the tough fights. He has always presented himself as a respectful martial artist, as a mixed martial artist, as a warrior. A lot of the other Gracie’s have not. They have taken easy fights and have worked hard to protect their name and name value. I understand the business side of it, but when I think of a Gracie, I think of Renzo. He is the only one as I see that has the potential of that family, of that clan, to beat me and the only thing that gets me up in the morning after 13 years of being a professional fighter is the fear that somebody might actually beat me.
Question: Gary, you talked about the appeal of mixed martial arts based on the high ratings, the large crowds and that type of thing. In boxing, everybody recognizes those numbers, but there is still controversy over the legitimacy of MMA as a fellow combat sport to boxing. Talk a little bit about the sport aspect?
Shaw: I am a former regulator in the state of New Jersey, and I was one of the regulators who turned down MMA in the 1990’s when I thought it was the wild, wild west. Since that time, there have been some rules, medical regulations that have gone into effect, and I have come to appreciate this sport more by watching and studying it – I cannot say as a fan, but as a business venture – and then to see these athletes and to see how well trained they are and how difficult their disciplines are. If you get a really great athlete, you can possibly turn them into a boxer in a very short time. I do not know that you can get a ju-jitsu black belt in a year or to have the skills that Shamrock has in a year. That is an example. But you can get a real talented athlete to start to box and to move. So I think what I could bring to the sport is, as I go around from town to town and talk to more and more press and more and more people, I think I can explain what this sport is about, what it brings, why it should be an Olympic sport. I am not sure I can understand the explosion myself. I think part of it is that this generation grew up with these video games and X-Boxes and computers and things that you and I did not have. Growing up with all these video games, they appreciate the MMA. I was in the video game business. I sold a lot of these games. I collected a lot of quarters out of machines. The most that I ever collected were out of games like Mortal Combat and video games like that. So I think the fan out there is an extension of the video game. The other thing that this sport has that boxing does not is when you look into the arena, you see guys with girlfriends, you see guys with wives, and you see girls with girls. It is different than in boxing. You do not see that type of crowd. I do not know why. If I stick my foot in oil and I feel it slide and I can smell that oil, I know I hit pay dirt. I know in the MMA with EliteXC and ProElite, I hit pay dirt.
Question: One big difference from a business standpoint is that your company will work with Don King Productions or Top Rank in boxing. That does not happen in the mixed martial arts. Everybody has their own organization that has its own set of rules and champions and rankings. Why did EliteXC decide to take that structure rather than more of a boxing structure?
Shaw: EliteXC really, under my tutelage, is trying to do the boxing structure. I am not trying to sign people to exclusive contracts with EliteXC that says I own you and you cannot fight anywhere else. To the contrary, I want to encourage the fighters that fight with EliteXC to go fight in a Pride event or a K1 or whatever it is. I am trying to say that as big as this sport is right now, one and one will always only equal two. If we do co-promotions, one and one will equal three. That is the word I have to get out and the best way to get it done and to get people to cooperate is through the writers. Beyond the writers, it is the fighters themselves, so that the UFC fighter or K1 or Pride or anyone else finally says to their promoter, ‘Hey man, I want to fight on SHOWTIME. I want to fight that guy. They say he is the best. I want to fight him.’ That is the way to do it. When you get that going, then I will show you $2 million in pay-per-view, and I will show you standing room only in a 20,000-seat arena. Maybe by then, we can then go over and get a European against an American. It just changes the whole sport.
Question: Frank and Renzo, can you guys talk about how it is being in EliteXC compared to UFC or some of the other organizations that are out there?
Shamrock: Speaking on my behalf, my experience with the UFC was not as pleasurable. EliteXC is very professionally run and organized. They obviously have a lot of forethought into the future of mixed martial arts. So far it has been a very pleasant experience and they treat talent like talent. When I train six hours a day, I do not want to go home and worry if my plane ticket is booked and if things are done. EliteXC, being a public company and a public entity, I do not have to worry about that stuff. They are straight up businessmen. Regarding co-promotions, at the end of the day, the people are going to demand that the best people fight the best people. The fans are going to say, ‘I want the best to fight the best.’ If you have 58 million shows and everybody is claiming to be the best, there can only be one greatest fighter in the world. There is only one Muhammad Ali and what Gary is trying to do is the right idea. We need to find the best fighters and bring them to one show and have them work together to get it done.
Question: Renzo, how is it working for you?
Gracie: I am a very lucky guy. Every experience I have had was great. I never had the chance to fight with UFC, but every experience I had fighting was always great. Even the riots that we had in Brazil were an unbelievable and unforgettable experience. I think fighting is my business and is what I love. Every organization that gave me the opportunity to fight is a great organization for me. I am biased because I love fighting so much that I can only see the good side.
Question: Gary, when you were deciding on what your offering would look like and ways to differentiate your product from the UFC, did a team-based fight league ever occur to you guys?
Shaw: Yes, I looked at it before I teamed up with ProElite and EliteXC, and there is nothing against the IFL because I believe anyone that is legitimate in this sport helps the sport. However, I do not see this sport as a team sport. It is a one on one effort. I have been approached in boxing on several occasions, including this past year, about doing a boxing league. I just do not see it. Frank Shamrock worked long and hard for 13-14 years to be where he is today — Renzo Gracie the same thing. I do not see putting a team together. I think what the sport is all about is man on man, one against one, let it all hang out. As Shamrock has said over and over, he is going to bare his soul. For me, I do not see this is a team sport. I do not see it as a tag team. I see it as one on one, both walk in the cage, and only one walks out the winner. That is what I think is the real attraction for the fans. I have nothing against the IFL. I hope they have huge success because the success that everybody can have on the professional and amateur level will only help the schools that Shamrock and Gracie have, and only help the sport, and in 2012 I hope that I will be somewhere saying I was a part of getting this to be an Olympic sport.
Question: What brought the venue to Mississippi for the first show?
Shaw: Everybody expected us to take the show to Las Vegas or somewhere in California. I have always believed that the best way is to see, touch, feel, smell, and when you do that you increase the fan base. I have done mid-South. I helped do the biggest boxing promotion in the world in Memphis in Lennox Lewis and Mike Tyson. I went to Mississippi because it is legal. The arena is 15 minutes from Beale Street, which is like Bourbon Street in Memphis and about 20 minutes away from all the casinos. We will know if it is a good decision by me or you will write what a bad decision it was on Feb. 11.
Question: Renzo, what strategies will you use that you would care to share?
Gracie: Actually, this fight is different from other sports that all they do is bash each other and try to talk down their opponents so they can shine. I think it comes down to exactly what you say. It comes down to both of us in the ring and the referee to be the mediator. We like our action to speak for ourselves and we do not need to downgrade anybody in order to look better. We are both gentlemen. Our sport is a family sport. In that stadium, you will see kids, wives and grandmothers there. It is a family sport.
Question: What are we going to see from you in the ring?
Gracie: I am going to give everything I have. I am looking to submit Frank the same way that he is looking to knock me out. The sport will come down to both of us in there. Nothing we say now will actually count.
Shamrock: I have more respect for Renzo than most of my family members. He is an honorable man, a martial artist. Anybody who lives this life and teaches and gives back and creates a community is a good man. When we fight, we fight. I say I am going to knock him out because that is what I believe. But I harbor no feelings, negative or otherwise, against him. I respect him more than anything and that is why I am fighting him. What you are going to see from me in the fight from a technical standpoint is I am punching with power. I am going to try to knock his head off and then he is going to try to get me to the ground and twist off my limbs and I am going to smash him for doing it and pop back up and get back into my game. I fight a very fast, effective counter wrestling, counter jujitsu and striking game, and I am also a submission expert. So I go with whatever the flow gives me. Everybody knows what style Renzo has. His expertise is on the ground. He likes to do a little standup. I love to bang and I love to fight and I love to make people tired and doubt themselves and then I like to smack them in the head.
Question: You do not think ring rust is going to be an issue?
Shaw: I do not think it is. It has never been a problem in the past and I think these people that talk about ring rust do not go to the gym everyday and spar for three or four hours and train their boys. I do this everyday all day long. I am now going and doing it on SHOWTIME with somebody that I respect and somebody that I think can beat me, which makes me train even harder
Question: Renzo, do you have any closing comments and a prediction on this fight?
Gracie: If I can do any predictions, I would actually play the lottery. Last week was $125 million. I really do not. The beauty of this sport is it is a surprise, to be there and see what happens. I can tell you what happened only after Feb. 0.
Question: Renzo, you make light of the fact Frank is going to beat you up and obviously you are joking. Seriously, deep down, you are coming to win and expect to win, right?
Gracie: Definitely. I know Frank is an extremely dangerous opponent and that is the main reason why I took this fight. But I am coming in to win. I am going to give everything I have to win. It is going to be a battle. It is going to be a wonder to watch. If I did not have the best seat in the house already, I would be sitting there to watch that fight.
Question: With all your experience, do you feel pressure?
Gracie: No, not at all. I know what my capabilities are and I know my knowledge. I can perform according to that. I definitely have a big heart and have proven that many times. I know all these things combined make a great fighter. I know I have those qualities and I know it always shows when I fight.
Question: With all that is at stake, is there any revenge or family feud type things you are trying to settle?
Gracie: Actually, I do not even think about revenge. I just let everything be a blank and I know I can control the techniques that I know. I let everything be natural and just happen. I am going to be looking for whatever Frank gives me so that I can use that to improve my chances to win and to look for a finishing hold or something like that.
Question: Frank, any your closing thoughts?
Shamrock: I want to thank everybody for being supportive of the MMA. I know it is new and different and I know that it is intimidating to some. I truly believe in my heart and soul that it is the purest expression of the human being. Renzo knows this. When you are in there and fighting, and you are fighting with your spirit and your soul, there is nothing that makes you more complete or makes you closer to another person and to the human race than just letting it all hang out. When I go in and fight, there is nothing on my mind but winning and victory and doing the most amount of damage with the least amount of energy and the least amount of effort. Whoever walks out of that ring the winner on Feb. 10, everybody is the winner – SHOWTIME, MMA, ProElite, Renzo, me – everybody is going to win out of this because we are the first families of mixed martial arts. And for us to be back in there again at this stage of the game, it just means that this sport has been reborn and the future is beyond imagination.
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